Track Listing

1. Campfire
2. Take It Back
3. Get Them Out Ya Way Pa
4. Face The Problems
5. The Heart Gently Weeps
6. Wolves
7. Gun Will Go
8. Sunlight
9. Stick Me For My Riches
10. Windmill
11. Starter
12. Weak Spot
13. Life Changes
14. Tar Pit feat George Clinton
15. 16th Chamber (ODB Special

Product Details

• Amazon Sales Rank: #11204 in Music
• Released on: 2007-12-10
• Number of discs: 2
• Format: Explicit Lyrics

Customer Reviews

This is the future of hip-hops soundscape
A word of warning this is a album what you have to let grow on you as the sound is that fresh. I have listened to this album a total of 10 times now. I admit my first listen I thought it was a mess. I was left with the same belief Wu have definately fallen off. I thought I have had since 'Iron Flag'.
But I refused to let this thought consume me & really didnt want it to be true so I gave it a chance. I put it back on & listened again & again & again. Each time it got gradualy better & the lyrics began to come together over the beats much better.
On my 6th listen it all clicked. It seemed to make sense, the beats, the rhymes, the flow - all top notch & I began loving it. I now realise the problem was the sound is so fresh it took me a while to get used to it. But once I did - bloody hell its amazing. The best thing ive heard in a long time. I can see this disc burning in my CD player its going to be getting that much rotation.

Sure its not the '36 chamber' sound we all fell in love with them for. But these guys have grown. They arent teenagers/young adults anymore. It would sound stupid of them to be rapping in that style now. We all ask our favourite MC's 'to keep it real' & as such cant expect them to go rapping about hanging out on street corners being the tough, martial arts obsessed kids. That sound is not them anymore, this is (although we do have a return of the martial art flick samples, thankfully) . Deal with it.
Same with the beats - I doubt we will never get the rawness of the original Wu sound ever again due mainly to technology making all sounds to clean & clear in this day & age.
The beats on here are as much a definition of today's grown Wu as the rough, hard beats were to yesterdays Wu.
This is better than every album thats been released in the last 8 years at least. It just takes a few listens to understand that

Excellent comeback from the Clan
As I massive Wu fan I have been eagerly anticipating the return of the clan for some time. However, I have had mixed feelings towards some of the clan's more recent offerings, and was hoping that the RZA could step things up a level with the new album. I wasn't hoping for a return to the mid 90s Wu Tang sound - those days have passed and it's just not possible to come up with a new Wu Tang Forever or 36 Chambers that wouldn't sound contrived. I was just hoping that the RZA would come from his heart with the new album, with some real Wu Tang killa bees tracks.


Overall I think the album is great. There are a number of stand-out tracks, and the album has a definitely Wu feel that was lacking from other releases like Iron Flag. No, it's not 36 Chambers, but it feels like a Wu Tang album. I though the production was excellent. I have heard that Raek and Ghost have come out and said they aren't happy with the final product, but I really enjoyed the feel of the album. It's smoldering, sinister, dark, and yet fresh and clean at the same time. It's has a very atmospheric, almost cinematic feel, and as an album it hangs together well. Ok, so it's rightly not going to be remembered as the best Wu Tang album of all time, but if this does prove to be the last outing for the clan in its entirety (minus ODB of course, RIP), then it is a worthy final chapter in the history of the world's greatest ever rap group. Wu Tang Forever!

Finally - some more of my favourite kind of hip-hop.
I'm two and a half listens into the new Wu-Tang album, and I have to say: Ghostface and Raekwon; for all your ego-ma-tizing, condemnation of the RZA's "dictatorship" of the Wu during this recording, and criticism of the final product - you're wrong. This record is a lot better than Ghostface's recent Big Doe Rehab, and better than any of us had any right to expect the new Wu release to be. In fact, in their outspoken reservations all Raekwon and Ghost have managed to do is shift the adulation squarely onto the RZA's shoulders. The RZA has delivered.

Sure, it's no Enter the Wu-Tang, but for me no hip-hop record has been able to rival that one since it's release - despite some worthy attempts like Ghostface's Supreme Clientele and Iron Man (both largely handled by the RZA), RZA's own Bobby Digital, and the Gravediggaz' Niggamortis (featuring the RZA). I think we really need to put Enter the Wu-Tang aside and judge hip-hop records on their own merits.

I'm not sure where 8 Diagrams stands in the Wu pecking order just yet, but I'm thinking definitely ahead of The W, and maybe ahead of Forever. Only time will tell on that score, since Forever has certainly proved to be a record that has proved it's worth over time. It had to be divorced from post Enter the Wu-Tang expectation before the quality it actually possessed could be seen.

All the members of the clan are on top form on this one - yes, Raekwon and Ghostface included. Method Man's flow is still smooth, but lacks a bit of the wit you might have come to associate with him. The real star has to be the RZA though. He has dug out some truly amazing loops and beats. "Rushing Elephants" particularly goes down as my favourite loop for at least 5 years. It's so good that I haven't even listened to the words on that one yet; I just want to hear that loop again and again.

Another highlight is "The Heart Gently Weeps", which I didn't actually like when I heard it before the release of the album. Ghost's contribution is outstanding however, the live drum kit is a nice touch, and the production is beautifully clear.

Then you have the dark and humorous "Wolves" which features a brilliant guest spot from George Clinton, singing a wonderfully off kilter lyric about the wolf "that made a widower out of grandpa".

There are parts in many of the songs that I'm not keen on, like the chorus in "Get Them Out Ya Way Pa" or "Gun Will Go", but on the whole even these tracks contain enough outstanding elements to push doubts into the background. I read an earlier review that disparaged George Clinton's appearance on the bonus track "Tar Pit". For one thing, it's not really part of the album, so I think criticism should be held back. For another, I find it amusing that this is seen as so offensive on a Wu-Tang record. If it had been a Beastie Boys record people would be praising it to the skies, saying what an audacious move it was.

In all it's a brilliantly varied, even revolutionary hip-hop album - the best I've heard in a long time, and I think one that will garner more attention as time passes. My only real reservation is that it starts a little slowly - it's three or four tracks before it really gets bangin', and at over 70 minutes it's a bit too long - yet another hip-hop example of too many tracks spoiling the album (if only a little). Personally I would have left off the first three tracks, but that's just me. I'm sure some peope will be digging those too.